The Decline of Access In Forums

I was part of a discussion on UtterAccess in mid-January which got hijacked a bit about the decline of Access. As George stated it:

the erosion of confidence among customers and usersGeorge

The discussion made me look further into a couple of my previous posts, such as:

and made me want to examine whether there was/is a quantifiable decline in Access interest.

Stacked Exchange (SE) provides access to their data and they are one of the biggest forum providers in the world.  So, I set off to see what I could find out from their data.

Using the Stacked Exchange Data Explorer and the documentation

it didn’t take long to get a clear picture of Access’ rise and fall.

The Stacked Exchange Access Statistics

I built a simple query to determine the number of questions posted per year and the results were

Year Count % Change
2008 335
2009 1599 377%
2010 2138 34%
2011 3015 41%
2012 4187 39%
2013 6423 53%
2014 6576 2%
2015 6678 2%
2016 6854 3%
2017 6104 -11%
2018 5241 -14%
2019 4481 -15%
2020 3499 -22%
2021 2726 -22%
2022 565

ms-access Postings By Year
So we can clearly see a yearly increase through 2013 and things started to stagnate for a few years, then start to decline around 2016 and consistently every year thereafter.

The Bigger Picture

This however got me wondering about the more general picture of databases, not just Access.  So I set out to review more well known databases to see how Access fared in the grander scheme of things.  So I started running the same query for other common database and I got the following picture.

Year ms access sql server mysql postgresql oracle azure sql database db2 nosql
2008 335 2444 1159 177 674 0 56 4
2009 1599 11506 9437 1012 2888 22 236 49
2010 2138 16709 21705 2248 4559 67 374 531
2011 3015 22634 41218 3946 7411 228 664 882
2012 4187 28809 57938 6287 10603 454 804 1208
2013 6423 37485 74687 9104 14264 521 1201 1097
2014 6576 38461 80302 11461 16216 442 1225 1105
2015 6678 38905 76878 13330 16586 763 1226 1216
2016 6854 39027 72032 15036 16318 838 1199 1378
2017 6104 37681 65215 16041 16192 967 1209 1046
2018 5241 31518 49502 15310 15117 1096 1332 1036
2019 4481 27564 40080 15922 13868 1012 1210 797
2020 3499 23456 37006 19785 14200 1046 1074 992
2021 2726 19047 31994 21341 12482 952 914 1102
2022 565 391 691 388 213 22 22 24

Yearly Posts By DatabaseLooking at the bigger picture, we can see a common decline amongst many of the big databases with the major exception of PostgreSQL!

I wasn’t surprised to see MS Access & SQL Server decline, but thought that Azure SQL Database questions would have significantly increased over the same period, which simply is not the case.

Isladogs’ (Colin’s) Data

If you review the original thread I mentioned at the beginning of this article, Colin posted the statistics (taken from https://www.utteraccess.com/topics/2062462/posts/2792955) from another forum.

Year Count % Change
2003 8551
2004 10778 26%
2005 10203 -5%
2006 12361 21%
2007 11101 -10%
2008 12479 12%
2009 9632 -23%
2010 9015 -6%
2011 8315 -8%
2012 6631 -20%
2013 3755 -43%
2014 3606 -4%
2015 3357 -7%
2016 2019 -40%
2017 1991 -1%
2018 723 -64%
2019 687 -5%
2020 423 -38%
2021 328 -22%

Yearly Post CountOnce again, we see the same downwards trend, but in this instance it appeared much earlier.  As of 2008, we start to see a consistent decline.

Other MS Office Apps?

I was interested in also comparing Access’ trend against the other Microsoft Office Applications and so I pulled the data for each of them, giving:

 

Year ms-access excel word outlook powerpoint
2008 335 435 144 436 50
2009 1599 2188 555 1465 357
2010 2138 6527 8333 2149 803
2011 3015 6117 1123 3317 915
2012 4187 10605 1434 4363 1403
2013 6423 18224 1776 5826 1965
2014 6576 23444 1672 6768 1768
2015 6678 29485 1870 8939 1984
2016 6854 32088 1966 9081 1822
2017 6104 35001 1886 9120 2091
2018 5241 30987 1948 8874 1831
2019 4481 28705 1836 8093 1797
2020 3499 25176 1712 7574 1976
2021 2726 23512 1551 7331 1853

Yearly Post Count By ApplicationGraphically we can see a noticeable decline in both Access and Excel.

Empirically, we see a decline across the board for all application starting around 2017-2018.  The real question is why?  What does this mean, if anything?

What’s Your Opinion?

So, are these trends telling in your opinion?  Are they indicative of a shift away from certain technologies? Away from Microsoft Office?

OR

Is it normal to see questions decline since so many online resources now exists and people simply don’t need to ask as many questions?

OR

Are people simply using different forums and these forums are simply loosing their popularity?

More To Come, Maybe

I’ve asked UtterAccess if they’d share their yearly post counts with me as I think it would offer an interesting perspective, see if the same tendency is true there, or not. I know that I’ve noticed a decline, but is it of the same magnitude as what is observed on SE?

I’m still waiting to hear back, but will update this post should they be willing to share such information.

6 responses on “The Decline of Access In Forums

  1. Lukas

    I used the SE data explorer to compare Access related questions in relation to all questions asked in a given year. It seems Stackoverflow has seen less questions overall after approx. 2016. I speculate that many questions that are relevant, now simply already have a good answer there, so maybe less Qs need to be asked overall. For technologies like VBA or Access, that see no updates, this might be true even faster than other ones.

    1. Daniel Pineault Post author

      Thank you for that added piece of the puzzle!

      That said, I just crunched the numbers, and you are correct there is a decline starting around 2016 and it even had a gain in 2020, but it is still far less pronounced that the Access decline. This is all very interesting.

  2. erwin leyes

    Nice info Dan!
    It is also a good idea if you can include the age bracket (demographic) of those who are still developing serious application in MSAccess.
    We can make a long list of complains that MSAccess is outdated, buggy, not suitable for serious db development so on and on, etc..Despite its blisters there is NONE that can take its place yet for desktop db front end development tools.
    Jam.py Application Builder is quite similar to what MSAccess can do but it’s not yet there. MSAccess forms/reports/queries/vba are so RAD and powerful, using it’s UI as front end to sql server or any relational db server MSAccess becomes a commando in desktop front end data processing war.

    (WebAssembly: Native desktop apps are dead – long live native desktop apps!)
    I’m hoping in the near future somebody can can up a tool to compile MSAccess UI into a WASM or something like a virtual MSAccess runtime bundled with a browser.

  3. Peter

    Coding since Access beta and I’ve never had to ask any new questions, I always find a useful answer there. The fasted programming method is to re-use other people’s code
    Maybe the lack of new questions is a sign of long term stability and the exhaustion of questions to ask.

  4. Mark

    I’d hazard a guess part of the overall decline is the fact of the increased history of accessable answered questions on places like stack overflow (for all databases).

    Most people only post a question after having done a fairly extensive search to see if a solution or discussion exists already.

    Over the years the likelihood of an unsuccessful search is reducing which adds to the reduced requirement to make a post. No stats for that. I certainly ask less questions than before – possibly because I’m getting just better / possibly because in addition to the fact that I am more familiar with the places I can get ready made answers.

    1. Daniel Pineault Post author

      Point taken and I do believe that is without a doubt one factor.

      Most people only post a question after having done a fairly extensive search…

      For some, yes, this is most certainly the case, but a great many still post the same questions, over, and over, …